Identifying Gog And Magog

An Incorrect Table Of Nations

There is another error that is swirling around, trying to gain some ascendancy. It’s this idea that the nations in the alliance created by Gog, were frozen in time. They essentially claim that the sons of Noah never got much farther than Anatolia – modern day Turkey. They also claim that this prophecy refers to physical geography instead of the descendants of Japheth and Ham – wherever they may be right now.

It seems that these theologians are basing their assumptions on extremely faulty information and incomplete analysis. Even if we were to accept their idea that we are talking about the physical location of these nations that were living at the time of Ezekiel, we would still be referring to vast areas of Eurasia and Africa.

By the time that Ezekiel made his first prophecies, the sons and grandsons of Shem, Ham and Japheth had spread to the ends of the world. The tribes of Japheth had already migrated to every point in Europe and West Asia. The descendants of Ham had already settled Africa, India, Oceania – along with East and Southeast Asia. China had already established its first dynasty almost 1500 years before Ezekiel.

Unfortunately, too many theologians are unable to grasp the idea that mankind had spread so far, so quickly. And, this inability is why you will see so many ‘Gog and Magog maps’ with most of the sons of Japheth shoved into Turkey.

A Plague Of Historians

Part of the problem lies with the early historians who were limited in their ability to discern beyond the frontiers of their civilization. Getting information on the tribes rampaging back and forth across Siberia and into Scandinavia, was impossible for them. That’s why Josephus, Hippolytus and Nennius couldn’t talk very much about the people in Scandinavia, Western Russia and Siberia. And, it’s why there are huge gaps in their description of where the descendants of Japheth were living.

Just look at this map according to Roman historians:

Notice that the area directly under the control of Rome is packed with names of tribes. Our first historians knew those people intimately. But, on the frontiers of the Roman Empire, you have very few names. Roman, Jewish and early Christian historians could not see the multitude of tribes that lived beyond the borders of what they thought of as the ‘civilized’ world.

However, today we have archeologists that have discovered the who, the where and the what of these tribes. And, we now have a growing ability to map the distribution of humanity by analyzing DNA. We know a lot more about our ancestors than what any of the ancients could have possibly known. Even though the accuracy of our methods are still far from perfect, our understanding of the ancient world has increased by leaps and bounds.

A Misunderstood Purpose of Ezekiel 36-39

Another common problem is that, for many who examine prophecy, there is an improper perspective. They don’t understand that these prophecies are messages to people who would live thousands of years after each prophecy was given.

Chapters like Ezekiel 36, 37, 38 and 39 were NOT written for those who were living at the time that the prophet was writing – at least, not primarily. Yes, people needed to know that Jacob would one day return to the Land of Israel and to God. This would have been of great value, and would have given comfort to the righteous. But, the people that God was most concerned with, would have been – and still are – those who would live during the fulfillment of these prophesies.

You and Me.

These prophecies aren’t just demonstrations of God’s power and will. They are vital warnings to God’s people who would live during the time being spoken of. Think of these prophecies as personal letters, from God, to those who needed to prepare – us.

So, let’s look at what God is telling us in Ezekiel 38.

Gog And Magog

Here are the first six verses:

1 Now the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 2 “Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him, 3 and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and lead you out, with all your army, horses, and horsemen, all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords. 5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya are with them, all of them with shield and helmet; 6 Gomer and all its troops; the house of Togarmah from the far north and all its troops—many people are with you.

Ezekiel 38:1-6

Who Are These People?

If we can identify the people listed in these verses, it will help us to accurately identify this alliance when it forms and prepare for when it comes. A couple of these names will be easy to identify. Most will be hard. And, ultimately, we’ll figure out who these people are, when the time comes. We just need to be careful to say ‘probably’ when we cannot be absolutely identify some of the nations in the Gog and Magog alliance. So, let’s look at Magog, Rosh, Meshech, Persia (Iran), Cush (Ethiopia), Put (Libya), Gomer and Togarmah.

Who are these people?

Well, Genesis 10 describes most of them as the grandsons of Noah:

1 Now this is the genealogy of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. And sons were born to them after the flood.

2 The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras. 3 The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah.

6 The sons of Ham were Cush, Mizraim, Put, and Canaan.

– Genesis 10:1-3, 6

None of the sons of Shem are included in Ezekiel’s description, so I’ve left those verses out.

Basically, about half of the sons of Japheth and Ham are in the grand alliance of Gog and Magog. And, one grandson of Japheth is included, along with two others that are NOT mentioned in Genesis 10:



Those two names stand out because they are NOT in the Genesis 10 ‘table of nations’. They stand out because they are NOT the grandsons or great grandsons of Noah. Therefore, I believe, they are clues, given to us by God, to help us identify this massive army. And, the most important clue is Persia.


I believe that including Persia was God’s way of helping us determine who would be in the Gog and Magog alliance, since it is so difficult to identify the other nations. We literally have some kind of question mark over every name listed in Ezekiel 38 – except Persia.

Persia is the easiest to see, and the Hebrew name is פרס – or Paras. We know – with complete and utter certainty – that this is Iran, and we will be talking about Iran a lot. Iran is probably the most enthusiastic enemy of Israel in this alliance and has been the biggest troublemaker in the Middle East since the fall of the Shah in 1979.

Since the ’79 Islamic Revolution that deposed the Pahlavi dynasty, Iran has been proclaiming her national focus to be the destruction of America and the ‘liberation’ of Jerusalem. Iran created a special unit called the Sepah-e Qods, or Jerusalem Force, more commonly known as the Quds Force. Even though she was in a fight to the death with Iraq, Iran still took the time and money to form Hezbollah in 1985, to fight Israel in southern Lebanon and northern Israel. During the first few months after taking power in Iran, the Ayatollah instituted a new ‘celebration’ for the last Friday of every Ramadan – called Jerusalem Day, or Quds Day – to focus on the destruction of Israel and the liberation of Jerusalem.

The irony is that none of this would have made sense before 1979. Before the Islamic Revolution, Iran was a country trying to modernize as quickly as possible. It was friendly with the west and Israel. Her cities had become modern with a highly educated populace. Then came the Ayatollahs, who knocked all of that down, turning back the clock and giving us all the reasons that we needed to understand why Persia belongs in the Gog and Magog alliance.

So, we KNOW who Persia is. And, because of this unusual mention of Persia, Iran will always be the most important identifier of the military alliance formed by Gog. Whenever you see Iran enter into an alliance, look carefully. Any country that draws close to Iran will ALWAYS be a strong candidate for being Magog. And, right now, Iran is building a big alliance with Russia.

For that reason alone, we should consider the possibility that Russia is the Land of Magog, and her president – currently Putin – as Gog. Yes, things could change or new information might come to light, causing us to rethink our analysis. But, the growing relationship between Russia and Iran should focus our attention on Moscow and her intentions.


Fortunately, we have more than the growing relationship between Tehran and Moscow to point us towards Russia. We also have this intriguing and unusual name:

Rosh – pronounced Roh-sh

Alongside Persia, Rosh is the only other name not found in Genesis 10 table of nations. And, after Persia, Rosh is probably the easiest to identify. Unfortunately, you might not have heard of Rosh because of how the King James Version (and most bibles) translated Ezekiel 38:2. Most translations of that verse are like this one:

Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

Ezekiel 38:2 (KJV)

However, the New King James Version (NKJV) corrects the KJV error and rewords that verse, like this:

“Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

– Ezekiel 38:2 (NKJV)

Of the 60 English translations available on the website, only 9 hold to that interpretation – the ASV, EHV, MEV, NASB, NLV, OJB, WEB, YLT and the NKJV.

What’s the difference?

Well most Bibles translate the Hebrew word ראש – rosh – as chief. And, that is normally what that word means. Unfortunately, in this verse, it is deeply incorrect to make that connection. And, I am glad that I can praise the NKJV, because I will be forced to criticize it later over its many other mistakes.

So, why is the NKJV right and the KJV wrong?

It’s actually quite simple. The Hebrew word rosh (ראש) in Ezekiel, is clearly a noun and NOT an adjective. Hebrew is very specific when it comes to adjectives, unlike English. So, if rosh was supposed to be an adjective, the Hebrew for chief prince should have been:

נשיא ראשי

But, the prophet Ezekiel wrote it like this:

נשיא ראש

Do you see the difference?

Yeah, it’s this character:


That’s a yood, and it should appear at the end of rosh (Hebrew is written right-to-left), if it was a modifier of נשיא, or nasi (pronounced nah-SEE). Also, nasi already means chief prince. In fact, it’s the word used in Israel to indicate the president of a country. Trump is currently the nasi of America. Putin is the nasi of Russia.

Hmmmm… Putin, the nasi of Russia…

Could he be Gog?

We’ll find out when the time comes.

More than just a noun, the word rosh is actually a proper noun – meaning, it’s a name – and, it fits very nicely with the original name for the Russian people:

The Rus

But wait, the Hebrew says ‘Rosh’ and history says ‘Rus’.

Which is it?

Actually, both.

Take a close look at the Hebrew word for Rosh:


The ‘sh’ sound comes from this letter:


That letter – called a ‘shin’ – can also sound like an ‘s’ – or a ‘sin’. It depends on whether the dot above the letter – a nikud – is on the right (sh) or left (s). And, you’ll notice that I don’t provide any of those dots when I talk about the Hebrew.


Because modern Hebrew doesn’t include them, and there are technical reasons for why I’m not certain that you’ll be able to see them, if I put them in.

I could go into more depth about what each nikud (pronounced nee-kood) can do to add and change the sounds of Hebrew words. But, this book isn’t about that, so we should move on.

The point is that the difference between Rosh and Rus is very small in Hebrew. More importantly, the sounds of words tend to change over time – especially when we are talking about centuries of drift, in which a name like The Rosh can become ‘The Rus’.

So, don’t get hung up over the tiny difference between Rosh and Rus. ‘Rosh’ is way, way too close to ‘Rus’ to ignore – especially since we have historical evidence that puts Rosh right where The Rus are, right now. And, The Rus are right where we would expect them to be, if they are a part of this story.


Because, talking about ‘The Rus’ means talking about Russia.

And Russia has gotten cozy with Persia.

Of course, the people that history calls ‘The Rus’ are also found in Ukraine and Belarus, but neither of those countries seems to be where Magog – the son of Japheth – settled. Nor do Ukraine or Belarus have governments or presidents that are strong enough to be ‘Gog’. So, until events show us otherwise, we should consider Rosh to be Russia. And Russia controls the territory where the descendants of Magog live.

Having said all that, if someone can provide a better explanation for ‘Rosh’, I’m all ears. Remember that the best that we can do is say that Rosh is PROBABLY ‘The Rus’.

Who Are The Rus?

So, who are The Rus?

The Rus were Scandinavians who invaded the Slavic territories of modern day Ukraine, Belarus and Russia. They seem to have descended from the Vikings (aka the Varangians) or they might have just been a more ruthless version of the Slavs. Unfortunately, nationalists of various sorts have muddied the waters by trying to claim this or that about who the Rus were. Before the Russian Revolution of 1917, the Russian aristocracy liked the Scandinavian explanation and promoted it. After the Soviet Union shot all the aristocrats, Stalin’s pet scholars claimed that The Rus were Slavs. And, to be fair, they are probably BOTH right.

The Rus seem to have been Viking marauders who rampaged over land from today’s Finland. Unlike their sea-going brethren, these Vikings went down through modern-day Russia, enslaving any Slavs that they came across. Slavery was a lucrative business for all Vikings, and they sold their slaves in Italy and Byzantium. These land-based Vikings eventually settled the areas that they were enslaving, setting themselves up as the rulers of the terrorized Slavs. They called their kingdom, Kievan-Rus.

At its height, Kievan-Rus stretched from Finland down to the Black Sea. Then, the Mongols came and smashed it all to pieces. Eventually, Moscow was able to throw off the Mongols and start building the empire that we now call Russia.

So, Rosh is almost certainly Russia, at least the western part.

I hope that I’m wrong about the Russia being Rosh. I like the Russians. I’ve worked with lots of them. I don’t like the idea that they will be a part of this grand army that comes down to attack Israel. Unfortunately, there is corroborating evidence that Russia is leading Gog and Magog, for more reasons than just the mention of Rosh. So, let’s move on, as we try to identify the rest of this alliance.


The person or government who brings this alliance together is called Gog. And, we won’t figure out who Gog is, until the time comes. But, we know that Gog comes from the Land of Magog.

Who is Magog?

Magog was the second son of Japheth, so his descendants should cover quite a large area of Europe and/or Asia. And, since we are already pointing at Russia, and since Russia is a Slavic nation, maybe we should ask:

Are the Slavs the descendants of Magog?

The answer is…


The Slavic tribes were sandwiched between the Goths (Germanic Tribes) and the Scythians. The Goths settled a lot of western and central Europe, and the Slavic tribes settled eastern Europe and western Russia. To the east of the Slavs would have been the Scythians, also known as the Sarmatians – or not. Josephus claimed that the Scythians were Magog. Some say that the Sarmatians are Magog and are NOT directly related to the Scythians. However, a quite thoughtful source claims that Magog are all three (Scythians, Sarmatians AND Slavs).

Troy Lacey seems to have unraveled a lot of this better than almost anyone else, and you can find the article with maps, here:

Remember that Magog is one of the seven sons of Japheth. So, unless you can make the case that Magog didn’t have very many kids or get very far, limiting Magog to just the Scythians or Sarmatians doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Ultimately, the confirmation of the identity of Magog will come from Iran.

Russia, The CSTO And The SCO

This brings us to a couple of interesting organizations that we should pay attention to:

CSTO – Collective Security Treaty Organization

SCO – Shanghai Cooperation Organization

The CSTO was formed as a counterbalance to NATO. And, it includes most of the republics that were a part of the Soviet Union. Furthermore, the CSTO has indicated that it is interested in a relationship with Iran, but so far, nothing official has been agreed to.

The SCO contains most of the CSTO, but adds China, India, Pakistan and Uzbekistan. One other important difference is that Iran has an official connection to the SCO as an observer.

Both the CSTO and the SCO could act as starting points for the creation of the Gog and Magog alliance. Military alliances do not spring out of thin air and usually form out of a need to answer a threat, or accomplish a goal. For instance, we are seeing a kind of uneasy agreement between Russian, Turkey and Iran, over how the chaos in Syria is to be managed. Such murky relationships can mark the beginning of something much, much bigger.

A lot of this is happening very quietly. So, we’ll need to pay close attention to any mention of these organizations, or any growth in the relationship between Russia and Iran.

East Asia Not Involved

Iran’s involvement with the SCO makes us wonder if China is involved with this coming of Gog and Magog. The short answer is…


The longer answer requires a discussion of the origins of the people of East Asia. Their genetic and physical characteristics are distinct from the peoples who are descendant from Japheth, so they aren’t Indo-European. And, the descendants of Shem, never got further east than northwest India – at least, until Islam began to take off. This means that the Chinese are probably descended from Ham.

But, which son of Ham?

Cush? Put? Mizraim? Canaan?

Cush Put and Mizraim had ample room to expand into Africa. Africa is huge, so they would not have had any reason to jump into the sea or walk thousands of miles in search for better land to live in. Not so for the Canaanites.

The sons of Canaan had a problem. They seem to have been a bit slow in migrating out of the Middle East and were forced to share part of that region with the sons of Shem. And quickly ran into conflict with Shem – the semites – over land. Some of the Canaanites went north (Heth of the Hittites) and got wiped out by the Assyrians (Semites). Some Canaanites tried to control Babylon – Amorites – and got massacred and pushed southwest into the Land of Canaan, joining the other Canaanites that got wiped out by Joshua and the Babylonians. Then the the Arabs came along and steamrolled the survivors. But, it seems that some Canaanites might have been smarter than the others escaped the Middle East pressure cooker.

We have strong evidence of two different Hamitic groups in Asia. One group is prevalent in India (lower caste Hindus) and Oceania – Australia, New Zealand, Melanesia, etc. A second group moved eastwards along what we now call ‘The Silk Road’. The India/Oceania group seems to have gone by boat – at least, in part. The Silk Road group seems to have walked, settling in Tibet, northeast China and then southeast China. Neither group seems to have many (if any) representatives in central and northwest Asia.

The sons of Japheth and Shem either chased out the Hamites or destroyed those civilizations that didn’t run fast enough. Shem pushed them out of the Middle East. Japheth – via the Turkish peoples – pushed them out of central Asia. The Indo-Europeans also conquered northern India, forcing the Hamitic population south and also east. You’ll notice that the repressive caste system of India has the lighter-skinned Brahmins at the top and darker-skinned Dalits at the very bottom.

The Hamites that populated south and southeast Asia appear to have come from east Africa. And, the Chinese Hamites walked out of Mesopotamia. But, that still doesn’t tell us which of the sons of Ham settled in China. However, we have a clue in the name of one of the sons of Canaan:

Sin – pronounced like seen

In modern Hebrew, China is סין (pronounced seen). And, one of the descendants of Canaan has the exact same name. However, that’s not a strong argument for claiming that the Chinese are Canaanites. However, Isaiah 49:12 refers to a people coming from very far away:

12 Surely these shall come from afar;
Look! Those from the north and the west,
And these from the land of Sinim.”

Isaiah 49:12

When God was telling Isaiah that people would come from extremely far away, you really couldn’t get more ‘far away’ than to say from the land of סין. That sounds pretty conclusive. We’re talking about East Asia. And, the Land of the Sinim includes more than just China. We’re also talking about Japan, Korea and Southeast Asia.

More importantly, China, Japan, Korea and Southeast Asia are NOT in this grand coalition created by Gog.


Because the East Asians are Canaanites.

When I mentioned this to my wife of Chinese descent, she laughed and said, “So that explains Chinese history.” And, indeed, it does. China has a blood-soaked past that also includes being dominated and subjugated by the Middle East and Europe. The Japanese, Koreans and Southeast Asians have also been completely dominated by the Europeans and Americans, and I am truly disgusted by how we have treated the East Asians.

One topic that gets me really mad is the Opium trade run by the British, from the 1700s. The British empire grew opium in India and sold it in China, in exchange for porcelain, silk and tea. They enslaved an entire people to a terrible opium addiction to get pottery, fabric and caffeinated water.

The New Testament calls such a foul and evil drug trade as sorcery – pharmacopeia – and it is a sin worthy of death in the eyes of God. So, the British empire richly deserved to be destroyed for this evil. Unfortunately, our own American government has taken up the opium trade – running more than a trillion dollars worth of Heroin out of Afghanistan.

I wrote all about this, here:

The CIA Criminal Empire that Started with Operation Gladio

But, that’s a story for another time.

Let’s end our discussion of East Asia with a historical snapshot of the first two centuries after The Flood, that saw humanity strewn across the globe. The Flood happened in 2348 BC, and the first recorded Chinese dynasty was established in 2070 BC. This means that we have our first Chinese dynasty just 278 years after the Ark came to rest. Furthermore, we estimate that it took a hundred years for the children of Noah to build enough of the Tower of Babel to cause God to break it all up by confusing the languages. One of the reasons why we know this, comes from this verse:

To Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan.

Genesis 10:25

This means that there would have been just a little over a century and a half for the original Chinese people to migrate four thousand miles east (6300 km), to northern China and form the first Chinese Kingdom. That’s a lot of walking. And, no one ‘migrates’ like that unless they are pushed. And, it looks like the sons of Japheth were the ones doing the pushing, via the Turkish peoples that took over Central Asia.

So, the first Chinese dynasty, the Xia (pronounced: shee-ah) began in 2070 BC. That was around the same time that Greek civilization got going. The Egyptians got their start a little earlier, when one of the sons of Ham – Mizraim – ran off to the Nile.

Why was the discussion important?

Because it shows that East Asia cannot be in the Gog and Magog coalition.

None of the Canaanites are in Gog and Magog. Neither are the Egyptians, Greeks, Italians or Spanish. Even the French and Germans might not be involved, since only one of the sons of Gomer – Togarmah – is mentioned. But, I might be stretching a bit here. And, it’s just as important to know who is NOT in this military alliance, as who is included.

Cush And Put

Cush and Put are a little easier to place, but we’ve been blinded by modern geography. We think of Put as Libya and Cush as Ethiopia. And, that is an extremely near-sighted view. And, we owe this to the translators of our Bibles who often used those modern names, instead of the Hebrew words. Unfortunately, that has blinded us to who Cush and Put are:

All of Africa, outside of Egypt.

All of it.

Put is far more than just Libya, and Cush is much more than just Ethiopia. Both of those peoples settled all of Africa. And, by the time of Ezekiel, they would have settled all of the most arable land of Africa – just like all the other descendants of Noah who spread throughout Europe and Asia. What we don’t know, are the names of the countries in Africa that will join this alliance. Libya and Ethiopia might join. Sudan might join. They might not.

Again, Cush, Put and Mizraim are represented in every square inch of Africa, not just a couple countries in north and northeast Africa.

Again, please keep your mind clear on this point. Eschatologists love to talk about Libya, Ethiopia and Sudan. I once did too. Do not get stuck in the same kind of thinking. Cush and Put cover a lot of Africa. Actually, all of it, except for Egypt. I’m expecting to see a few surprises when the Africans join the Gog and Magog alliance.

Meshech, Tubal, Gomer and Togarmah

This brings us to the remaining names – Meshech, Tubal, Gomer and Togarmah. I’m lumping them all together since it’s hard to determine exactly where these people settled. They were all sons of Japheth, except for Togarmah – who was the son of Gomer. And, being sons of Japheth, they would have settled all of Europe and a lot of Asia. Unfortunately, most of our evidence of where they settled lies with how similar some of their names are to places in Asia and Europe.

Meshech sounds a lot like Moskva, the name of the river that gave Moscow its name. Some have pointed to the Meshchera people who lived east of Moscow, in Siberia. Wherever they lived, they would have taken up a large area. And, one thing is certain:

Meshech would not have stayed in Turkey!

Tubal sounds a lot like Tabal, a kingdom that sprang up in the ashes of the Hittites, in Turkey. That kingdom didn’t last very long and didn’t control a lot of area. However, there was a group of people called the Tibareni who lived in the Caucasus Mountains. But, since Tubal was a son of Japheth, it makes little sense to ascribe Tubal to such a small area of land. That’s why the city of Tobolsk and the Tobol River give us an important hint about where the descendants of Tubal might have migrated to – Siberia, just north of Kazakhstan.

Gomer And Togarmah are a little more interesting.

Why was Togarmah mentioned, and not the other sons of Gomer?

Does this tell us that only part of Gomer joins Gog and Magog?

It’s hard to say. We’ll certainly find out when the time comes.

Many have linked Togarmah with Turkey and some of the Turks of Central Asia. Again, trying to push the sons of Japheth int Turkey to ‘simplify’ this prophecy is stupid. But, there is one thing that we know about Turkey:

It was taken over by the Turkic peoples of central Asia.

These central Asian Turks are why we call Anatolia, Turkey. And, it didn’t begin to be ‘Turkified’ until the 11th century AD when Turks were brought in. But, it still wasn’t called Turkey until about a hundred years ago, after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. So, even though Anatolia might not have been the place where Togarmah started, it might have been the place where they ended.

This leaves the other two sons of Gomer – Ashkenaz and Riphath. And, we have little idea about where they went. The Jewish people who wound up in Germanic countries refer to themselves as Ashkenazi Jews, since that is where they believe that Ashkenaz settled. But, I’m not sure that’s strong evidence. And, we are completely clueless about where Riphath wound up.

I hate to be so uncertain, but we’re stuck with an uncertain record. Those who claim to be certain are either deluded or trying to sell you something. But, let’s not end our discussion here.

The Rest Of Humanity Left Out

We should look at those nations who are NOT involved in this invasion by Gog and Magog:

The Sons of Shem

The Canaanites

The Egyptians




If none of the sons of Shem are involved, that eliminates those who call themselves Arabs. Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc. do not join this coalition against Israel. And, that has always been a very, very interesting situation to think about.

Have you noticed that the Sunni Arabs have begun to think more positively about Israel?

The Sunnis have been worried about the Shiites for a while, and have become less and less certain about America’s support. The Shiites are concentrated in Iran, and Iran has become a real threat to the Arabs. Therefore, many Sunni Arabs have begun to call for an ending of the conflict with Israel.

The Canaanites aren’t mentioned, and it seems that the only identifiable representative of the Canaanites is China and the rest of East Asia. None of the other Canaanites seem to have survived as a people that we can identify.

The Egyptians are also not involved. They are the largest military power in the Middle East and North Africa, and are not interested in joining in any attack on Israel. And, I suspect that the reason for that lies with the internal struggle described by Isaiah 19, which is directly connected with the filling of the Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam. And yes, the filling of that dam is about to begin soon – if it hasn’t already begun, by the time that you see this.

Part of the descendants of Madai live in northern Iran, and were called the Medes. However, Madai kept spreading eastwards into Afghanistan, Pakistan and northern India – pushing the Hamitic tribes in India, to the south and into southeast Asia.

Does this mean that India is not involved in the Gog and Magog?

Well, looking at India and Pakistan today, it makes sense that they would not be involved. They have their own problems and haven’t shown much interest in any question about Jerusalem.

The sons of Javan represent the Greek peoples of Europe and the Mediterranean Basin. Javan or יון (pronounced yah-van) is the Hebrew word for Greece. The descendants of Javan are probably more than just Greece, but it’s hard to say just HOW much more. But, we know that the Greeks went pretty far, creating colonies across the Mediterranean Sea. Some have even claimed that the Greeks left a colony or two on the southern coast of England.

Then, there’s Tiras. The Greeks called the Etruscans, the Tyrsenoi, and that sounds like that could be a match. We know that the Etruscans lived in northern Italy, and probably even further north into France, Switzerland and Austria. The question is whether they were the ones to start Roman civilization, or whether the sons of Javan were the progenitors. Or both. Either way, Tiras and Javan would have been in conflict, just as Tiras would have had trouble with Gomer.

Western Europe And The Young Lions

Up to this point we’ve covered the whole planet, except for Western Europe, Scandinavia and the ‘New World’ countries of North and South America. It’s hard to know who the Scandinavians come from. They could be Magog. They might be something else.

France, Britain and Ireland have suffered through so many invasions, from so many different groups, that they are a mix of pretty much every descendant of Japheth. And, Spain and Portugal seem like they might be evenly divided between Tiras and Javan. But, we know that North and South America are not involved in Gog and Magog.


They – along with Australia and New Zealand – are the Young Lions.

Later on in this chapter, we will find that ‘the young lions’ do not join Gog and Magog, and are not happy about this invasion. But, they do little more than complain. Unfortunately, this thought that they do little more than complain should be very, very distressing, but we’ll get into that a little later.